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Kanyatta · Jul 09, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

If there is a console version, it will only be on the PS3 considering NCSoft and SCEA are partnered up. Microsoft will not be part of that little deal. Sony has an exclusive deal with NCSoft (owners of ANET) for MMOs on their consoles.

Remember how Sony had exclusives on all the Devil May Cry games? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're available on 360. Please step off your pedestal of Sony > Microsoft elitism and accept the fact that Microsoft has more money.

On topic: GW2 is not perfect for consoles in the least. Online multiplayer for consoles is more often much shoddier than on PC. Most console online is client-side hosted anyway.

GoodApollo1234 · Jul 09, 2008, 08:46 PM // 20:46

First of all, if they move GW2 off of the PC, I will be TRULY dissapointed, because I've never seen a MMO succeed on a typical game system (and I don't want to drop $300-$500 for a new system when I'll be getting a new PC around the time of GW2's release anyway).

Second, They're not going to move GW2 off of the PC.

Third, PC gaming won't be dying any time soon. As long as they keep making new PC operating systems, there will be games on them. Vista JUST got started, and if you guys don't recall, no one liked XP either until Windows worked out all the bugs 2-3 years after its release. Hell, I didn't even switch to XP until late 2005.

Fourth, it would be utterly pointless to move GW2 because there's nothing a game system can do that a decent gaming PC can't top.

Fifth, if they were to move it, they would drive a wedge into their player-base by putting it on multiple consoles- Something Anet is far too smart to do.

Kanyatta · Jul 09, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by GoodApollo1234

Vista JUST got started, and if you guys don't recall, no one liked XP either until Windows worked out all the bugs 2-3 years after its release. Hell, I didn't even switch to XP until late 2005.

QFT.

No one seems to remember this except a select few people. The entire world has gone ZOMG MACZ RULE! because Vista has a few bugs. Personally, I use it and have never had a problem with it. The only issue I have ever had is anytime I want to download something, Windows asks me if I'm sure I want to download it. I clicked the Download button, didn't I? It's only a 1 second inconvenience, but whatever.

Just wait for Service Pack 2, XP wasn't good until 2 anyway.

MithranArkanere · Jul 09, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

I'd wait for Windows 7 instead.

Vista is like a Windows ME.

Abedeus · Jul 09, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

I'd wait for Windows 7 instead.

Vista is like a Windows ME.

Too many people don't believe that. How I pity them.

Nanood · Jul 09, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Couldn't care less if it's console friendly as long as it's not dumbed down to deal with console limitations.

captain_carter · Jul 09, 2008, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

The only issue I have ever had is anytime I want to download something, Windows asks me if I'm sure I want to download it. I clicked the Download button, didn't I? It's only a 1 second inconvenience, but whatever.

I'm almost certain you can turn that off anyway.

Lord Sojar · Jul 09, 2008, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Remember how Sony had exclusives on all the Devil May Cry games? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're available on 360. Please step off your pedestal of Sony > Microsoft elitism and accept the fact that Microsoft has more money.

Yes, because money can suddenly convince NCSoft to pay huge severance fees for a contract they signed with SCEA. You lack understanding of corporate dynamics. Stick to Guild Wars fundamentals, then move up the ladder. Devil May Cry wasn't on contract. A corporate binding agreement is. Once that expires, NCSoft may do as they like.

Oh, and just one other thing. If you actually look at the online systems for both consoles, you will find the PS3's online system and network to be highly superior for MMO environments, due to open platform support and cross server capability. But that wouldn't matter either right?

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Originally Posted by Nanood

Couldn't care less if it's console friendly as long as it's not dumbed down to deal with console limitations.

What is this word limitations? The Cell knows no limitations. You speak blasphemy.

CyberNigma · Jul 09, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

well I play WoW, Tabula Rasa, various FPS's, and used to play Guild Wars using an XBOX 360 controller hooked up to my PC. I haven't set it back up since I wiped, though I've been meaning to. There are more than enough buttons for most cases, the toughest being anything non-melee in WoW since most people are used to loading gobs of spells onto their action bars.

For people talking about how it would dumb down Guild Wars...well hello, I haven't come across many people yet that haven't joked about how dumbed down Guild Wars is (oh, you just select the enemy then press space to go to them lol.. oh your character just follows and keeps facing the enemy? lol oh you just press C then space for the next enemy once he's done? lol). Now I love Guild Wars and prefer it over most of the others I switch out on, but the interface is almost as dumbed down as you can get in an mmo. Anything more and you've got Diablo (which is pretty slick for what it is - an action rpg).

NOTE: I wasn't laughing because I know Guild Wars is supposed to be more about skill (or was).

The fact that you only use 8 skills max in the first place reinforces that.. Try switchblade out sometime for those of you interested in paying with an xbox 360 controller you have. It works with quite a few games more than the blades support - great in Tabula Rasa). Guild Wars is a bit awkward because of the C space, but it still works out.. Melee in woW is great and it lets you kite really easy (assuming you are able to play with a controller).

On one of the new consoles, everyone would have access to voice chat (got vent? got ts?), whether they could use it or not, it's there. I agree with a previous poster that due to the relationship of NCSoft and Sony nothing they make will end up on the 360 most likely. I have both plus PCs, and even though I prefer the 360 over the ps3, the ps3 is still quite a capable machine. Even more, every PS3 has a hard drive.

People have had some good arguments about keeping wow off the console because they aren't required to discipline themselves to only 8 skills (or from the other side, it's not dumbed down to using only 8 skills like some kind of action rpg), but there's not much of a reason at all for some kind of GW to work on a console. Too many people have it blocked out in their mind. Some of you may not remember the days when games started using the mouse and many people stuck with keyboard gaming, thinking that was stupid.

The graphics would be fine. Even for someone like me that plays on a 30 monitor at 2560x1600 it would be fine because I don't notice a difference between that and 1920x1200. As a side note I set it to that so it doesn't have to change from my desktop resolution since nvidia keeps RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing up its vista drivers.

Both consoles have a (functional, though crappy) keyboard accessory, though with voice chat and the difficulty of getting used to the mini keyboards, I'd welcome less BS in the chat channels without having to turn them off. There is also the mouse/keyboard option for the PS3, but if you are going to use that, I'd rather be at a desk instead of on the couch (where I play my consoles). Keyboards/mice just seem to unwieldy to me on the couch (even had a remote one and I don't care for the gyros).

The thing is, someone someday will think outside the box and pull it off. That's all it really takes is thinking outside the box and thrwing out pre-conceived notions. The reason, I suspect, that it hasn't been done yet (except Phantasy Star Online and FF) is because as we all know none of the big players are really into taking big risks. Doing anything for the first time is a big risk, and ANet was probably up for it when it was first founded, but they won't be taking any more risks I suspect - with the titles that came out and the fact that GW2 sounds like WoW 1.5.

http://www.switchbladegaming.com/

If any of you are going to QuakeCon, you'll find me there once again with my 360 controller gaming away (well, unless I'm playing an RTS or downloading pr0n, but Civ Revolution - from someone that thinks outside the box, namely Sid Meier - may change that as well)..

as a final note, its unfortunate that the deal is with Sony as they seem to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up MMOs on the PC, much less trying one of a console.

Solange · Jul 10, 2008, 01:10 AM // 01:10

i'm reading the comments and they seem to assume that if guild wars 2 were to be made on ps3 and xbox 360 that they would somehow forget about the PC users which i don't think is the case

Make it for all the platforms....if possible....why? To get more people playing and into guild wars

There haven't been that many MMO's for consoles because the monthly fee, Guild Wars 2 has no monthly fee thus making it a perfect setting for consoles

the monthly fee keeps people without credit cards away from online gaming if they don't have some other means to pre-purchase credit for a month like WoW does with those mini credit cards sold at stores

Solange · Jul 10, 2008, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

hardware has nothing to do with it. its the fact that about 80% of games get pirated. (this doesnt do anything to mmos though cause you need an account too, which is why mmos are basiclythe only games selling well on pc now, outside of anything on steam of course)

pc isnt dieing, but its on life support thats for sure. untill there is a way to stop people from downloading games, then more companies will go to working on consoles.

Thank you!!!!

Solange · Jul 10, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

I'm not saying that there aren't any people that bought a Mac just to play games on, I'm saying that the ones that did are completely stupid. The platform has a complete lack of any gamer friendliness. It has a minuscule library games and is pretty much impossible to upgrade. This isn't just my opinion, this widely accepted. Sure, there are people who play games on the Mac, but I seriously doubt hardly any of then bought a Mac just to play games. In my opinion, making a game on a Mac would not be worthwhile unless you already had a substantial fanbase from previous games on the Mac or a gargantuan fanbase from previous games on the PC. Guild Wars has neither of these things, therefore, making GW2 for the Mac wouldn't be advantageous.

thats true

most people who purchase macs would probably get them for stability and ease of use instead of strictly gaming but that doesn't mean that gaming shouldn't be supported for that platform as there's probably a good userbase who would buy games even if its not there first intention of owning said machine

If Macs supported gaming better, i wouldn't be using Windows...same can be said about linux

super strokey · Jul 10, 2008, 01:18 AM // 01:18

PC gaming isnt dying but its evolving into something different which is a good thing imho. I think PC gaming is having "trouble" because it is perceived that games dont sell and there is some evidence to agree with that (consoles sell more games i beleive but dont take that as a fact i will double check). MMO's are the realm where PC's rule though and for that reason alone pcs wont die. Plus look at all the games coming, GW2, fallout 3, Aion, Diablo 3, Starcraft, crysis warhead, and a million more. Both consoles and pc gaming can coexist because they both are aimed at different markets. Personally i perfer consoles but pc gaming is freaking awesome too, its a great time to be a gamer.

Solange · Jul 10, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by KMVRanger

Interesting (if not the most intelligent) debate/conversations. Gadd’s people proof your comments before you post them. At any rate, even with a keyboard and mouse, I see a different ergonomic issue: sitting. Well this would be an issue for me. I can play GW for several hours straight because my mouse and keyboard sit on a desk with a nice comfy desk chair.

Yes, of course you could hook your 360 or PS3 up to a monitor and set it up on a desk but don’t most console gamers prefer the couch and a flatscreen? I guess this is a minor argument at best but I don’t see the console idea working for me personally.

As for PC gaming’s demise. Hmm with consoles launching north of $500 and the price of solid computer gaming tech dropping all the time I’m not sure consoles much threaten the computer gaming demographic. PC games are typically less expensive at launch (PS3 titles are what $60?). I don't think PC gamers are stubborn about sticking with the PC either. I think it is a matter of "if it's not broken..."

I have an Xbox 360 given to me by my brother. However, it is in need of a power brick, AV cables and a controller. I was tempted to try Assassin’s Creed. But in looking into the needed accessories, it turns out I would have had to have spent around $180 (including the price of the game) just to get things running. It just didn’t make sense. I could put that money towards a new card (with some left over) for when GW2 comes out for the PC. So even if GW2 came out for the 360 I’m still looking at spending $180 for something that will likely look and play much better on the platform it was originally designed for. Not to mention, I think there is a fee for Xbox Live (above what I already pay for my Internet connection).

This is NOT a bash Solange. I’m just responding to your topic with my opinion. FPS are probably the only games that translate well from PC to Console and vice versa.

its okay most my posts aren't intelligent

Oblivion is a FPS/RPG type games and sold well on consoles...consoles aren't strictly FPS though thats probably the most profitable market right now with multiplayer FPS shooters.....

There's a market waiting to boom on consoles, Multiplayer with RPG elements like Guild Wars will keep people hooked...

Kanyatta · Jul 10, 2008, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Yes, because money can suddenly convince NCSoft to pay huge severance fees for a contract they signed with SCEA.

Umm... Yes it could? Say the severance fee is a million dollars (just a number for example), Microsoft could say "We'll give you 2 million if you give us GW2". NCSoft would switch in a heartbeat.

Mostly, what I am saying is the PS3 is not the second coming of Christ, as you make it out to be, and it has it's flaws just like any console.

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Originally Posted by Solange

Oblivion is a FPS/RPG type games and sold well on consoles...consoles aren't strictly FPS though thats probably the most profitable market right now with multiplayer FPS shooters.....

Oblivion really isn't a shooter at all. It's a first person RPG. I guess arrows could be "shooting", but...

By the way, Oblivion also sold well on PC.

Solange · Jul 10, 2008, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Umm... Yes it could? Say the severance fee is a million dollars (just a number for example), Microsoft could say "We'll give you 2 million if you give us GW2". NCSoft would switch in a heartbeat.

Mostly, what I am saying is the PS3 is not the second coming of Christ, as you make it out to be, and it has it's flaws just like any console.

Oblivion really isn't a shooter at all. It's a first person RPG. I guess arrows could be "shooting", but...

By the way, Oblivion also sold well on PC.

yeah but i'm not saying Kill of PC gaming, i'm saying have it for all platforms

Guild Wars/A.NEt have always been a company about doing things differently and being first at doing these things

Guild Wars is very Massive Multiplayer Oriented but with no monthly fee....people at the start were saying are you sure you don't want us to pay a monthly fee? etc etc they though they were crazy but did it

Guild Wars on as many platforms as it can get on would be amazing, PC, 360, PS3, MAC.....and all of us playing together at once....it would be SWEET

Lord Sojar · Jul 10, 2008, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Umm... Yes it could? Say the severance fee is a million dollars (just a number for example), Microsoft could say "We'll give you 2 million if you give us GW2". NCSoft would switch in a heartbeat.

Mostly, what I am saying is the PS3 is not the second coming of Christ, as you make it out to be, and it has it's flaws just like any console.

Wow... no I don't... not even close. The PS3 has plenty of issues, just not as many as the 360.

And you clearly don't severance fees... It isn't a 1 million dollar fee, it is based on percentages usually, and companies RARELY if ever break contract.

And again, the PS3 has the more open online platform, which gives NCSoft more wiggle room. The PS3 is much more PC like then the 360. The 360 is extremely proprietary.

You need to do some research on why companies make contracts between one another, and why they wouldn't bother to pay a severance fee. Microsoft also charges monthly for their XBOX live service, meaning it would be quite expensive to pay for an MMO (if it wasn't GW2) and XBOX Live together.

Oh, and PC gaming is far from dead. If any of you actually think that... I have news for you... it is NOT. Farthest thing from it.

Thizzle · Jul 10, 2008, 05:07 AM // 05:07

You can play games on a console. You can make a cheesy movies and maybe play some iTunes on a Mac. What can you do on a PC? All that and more!

Kanyatta · Jul 10, 2008, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by Thizzle

You can play games on a console. You can make a cheesy movies and maybe play some iTunes on a Mac. What can you do on a PC? All that and more!

Mac's have a lot of sweet games. Like... Breakout... and.... Super Breakout... and...photoshop...

DarkNecrid · Jul 10, 2008, 05:16 AM // 05:16

and every other game out there cause of boot camp.